Bare Knuckle Fight Yes or No?

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    Spiderwoman
    Post subject: Bare Knuckle Fight Yes or No? PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:54 am

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    I’m a girl and I love MMA/NHB. I’m planning to do amateurfights. I’m just wondering if any would do bare knuckle fights? If it’s for the right amount of money?

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    Rox21
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    No. Never. I would hurt my self so I couldn’t train, and I would hurt the other person.

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    Spiderwoman
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:24 pm

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    With MMA Gloves you hurt your opponent too, that’s part of the sport right?

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    Mark Grassman
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    Bare knuckle fights? That depends on what you mean by that. I like watching full contact karate fights as seen in events like the Sabaki Challenge, but bare knuckle NHB/MMA is out.

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    Executioner
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    They still organise in men MMA, Bare Knuckle NHB in Russia,Brazil and I think in some small promotions in USA.

    In Thailand and Birma they organise bare knuckle thaiboxing matches, still!!

    Master A’s and Master Toddy’s Women’s Teams will enter the bare knuckle fight.
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    L-R, Michelle Grizzle, Rachel Jones, Christine Toledo
    headed for Thailand and bare knuckle wars

    Michelle Grizzle (Master A’s), Rachel Jones (Dave Croft and Master A’s) and Christine Toledo, (one of Toddy’s Angels) will be fighting at Measod ,Thailand on the border between Thailand and Burma.
    The women are training hard and looking forward to this event, this will be the first Master A’s Women’s Team from the UK to enter the bare knuckle fight. The fights will take place on the 13th April 2005.

    Bare-knuckle fighting allows strikes to any part of the body. The blows are so numerous that it will take two referees just to regulate the action. Head butts, kicks to the head while the fighter is down, hands wrapped only in cotton
    rope, Each bout will be 5 rounds and 3 minutes. The only way to win is by a bloody KNOCK OUT!

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    Zoe
    Post subject: PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:08 pm

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    I do but it is strictly underground. No one would do it officially. What you’re looking at is basically a barefisted barefoot streetfight.

    A few points:
    You do this and you will definitely get bruised so you better be prepared for that. Yet the real damage isn’t where you’d think it would be, i.e. on the head. Barefisted your hands are most likely to be damaged. That’s why fighters started wearing gloves a century ago. Back in the days of John L. fights could go 100 rounds and his hands would be swollen to twice their normal size.
    These days they are fairly short and fast and you get to use a lot of other parts. But the reality is if you fight barefisted you can’t hit as hard as you can with protection and gloves. You do and you hurt yourself more. So there’s a trade off.

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    dl_angel
    Post subject: PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:39 pm

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    Seen too many of my friends unable to fight or REALLY train because of hand/wrist injuries they got during MMA fights…with the gloves on. Seems like they end up back in training after 1 month, but they’re too sensitive to really spar (at least with two hands) or hit anything solid… I couldn’t deal with not being able to do about 75% of my normal workout (basically all that’s left is running and shadow boxing) for so long… plus if MMA is the way you support yourself, keeping yourself safe as possible is important.

    Plus there’s something discouraging about fighting and hurting yourself more than you’re hurting them… 😆

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    Rikki
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    Plus there’s something discouraging about fighting and hurting yourself more than you’re hurting them…

    Exactly!

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    Zoe
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    If it pays do it. Why not?

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    Icedog
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    Spiderwoman wrote:
    With MMA Gloves you hurt your opponent too, that’s part of the sport right?

    Spiderwoman isn’t the first to look at it that way – a few years ago, Laura D’Auguste did an interview in which she said she’d fight bareknuckle, because with or without gloves, either way someone gets hurt. Laura probably feels differently about it now, but anyway, Spiderwoman, you’re not alone in looking at it that way.

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    Rikki
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    With MMA Gloves you hurt your opponent too, that’s part of the sport right?

    That’s true. MMA gloves were designed to protect your hand…..not your opponents face. If you’ve ever been hit by someone wearing those gloves you know that they don’t provide much cushioning for your face.

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    Zoe
    Post subject: PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:46 pm

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    I’m up for it if anyone else wants to try.

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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:31 pm

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    I’m all for it, although I think taped hands would provide *much* better support and protection. Hand injuries suck, can end a fight prematurely, and can cause long-term damage…it’s understandable these girls are concerned about it.

    Takes very little to wrap up the hands. and this way you still have the striking speed and “fight purity” of real-life application without the risk of serious injury.

    RA

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    dl_angel
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    It better pay a lot if you’re risking your fighting career by possibly injuring your hands permanently. Or it should at least pay more than the 2+ fights you might be able to have in the time you’re laid up healing.

    I have no issues getting HIT by someone bare fisted. I hate unnecessary injuries- or not being able to train. I survive my job by going to beat on pads, bags, and people every night after work… just shadow boxing and running for a couple months would piss me off. 🙄 I just don’t see the benefit of bare fisted fights.

    Plus, if my hand breaks, what the heck am I going to do at work and school? Not able to write? Not able to play sports outside with the kids? Not able to drive and change the radio station at the same time?

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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:37 pm

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    Well, I have broken my hand numerous times. It’s not that you’re incapacitated…once it’s set you can still drive and play with the kids, etc…but you’r right it would definitely take away from the training. You’re looking at 6-8 weeks minimum down time.

    If a promoter offers a good purse and the money is on the table they should not have a problem if you requested taped hands, and I doubt your opponent would have a problem with it either.

    RA

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    Zoe
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    There’s some confusion here. Literally taping hands would make them hard as rocks and would feel that way on your opponent’s head.

    Bandage or wrappings on the other hand offer some protection; assume that is what is loosely being referred to as “taping.”

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    rick_alexio
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    Right, by “taping” I was referring to hand/fighting wraps There are various fabrics and blends; some are herringbone woven tape but they are no harder than bare knuckles.

    And it’s a different kind of blow. As Rikki mentioned, gloves were developed to protect the hands not the head. A glove increases the striking surface and weight of the punch, so the concussive (internal) force and affect of a glove is greater…although without gloves you cut easier so the (superficial) damage can be greater.

    RA

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    DianeB
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:41 pm

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    Executioner wrote:
    Bare-knuckle fighting allows strikes to any part of the body.

    Fighting Thai / boxing / mma rules bare-knuckle is one thing & I can see the appeal – but surely allowing strikes to any part of the body is going to lead to a very short fighting career. For example manipulating a joint as in an mma fight would lead to a tap out or a snapped joint, the fighter has a chance. But if your allowed to strike to any part of the body including joints (say the knee), then IMO its the wrong way to go.

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    Rikki
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    But if your allowed to strike to any part of the body including joints (say the knee), then IMO its the wrong way to go.

    You are allowed to kick the knees in MMA.

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    DianeB
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    oh ok 😳 my apologies.

    Just don’t think I could personally use a technique that could permanently disable a person unless it was a self-defense situation. Yes I know a punch could have devastating effects on the brain but…. anyhow, don’t know what im rambling about so i’ll just say good luck to anyone who goes into the bare knuckle fights, it isn’t for me.

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    Executioner
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    Icedog
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    Does anyone know how these bareknuckle fights involving Michelle Grizzle, Rachel Jones and Christine Toldedo turned out?

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    Mark Grassman
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    Icedog wrote:
    Does anyone know how these bareknuckle fights involving Michelle Grizzle, Rachel Jones and Christine Toldedo turned out?

    Can’t find any news on results. Any links the Master A site had on the bout have disappeared.

    Any mention of Toledo’s involvment has ceased. Perhaps she is serving a suspention after being TKOed by Maiko Katsuyama last month. 😕

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    Executioner
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    Christine Toledo has been injured, besides that the whole event has been cancelled by some unknown reason!
    Too bad!!

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    Spiderwoman
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    I’ve heard that Erin also said in a interview that she would want to fight bareknuckle?
    Who else of the pro’s here is also into that?
    I’m not a pro, but would be great to do such fights.

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    fight4you
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    this whole thread sounds sociopathic.

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    Spiderwoman
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    Maybe I’m planning to viisit USA to train in some gyms, who can recommend some gyms?
    And who of you would do bare knuckle vale tudo fight?
    Maybe against me?
    I didn’t fight any pro fights and I’m around 150 pounds.

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    rick_alexio
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    What area in the US are you planning to go? Do you have a promoter/manger/trainer yet? If you go to Vegas I would recommend Master Toddy’s gym…a number of his girls are also into bare-knuckle style. If you have no pro experience it will be hard to gauge what level you’re at…so you should at least get a couple pro fights under your belt to see where you are and then start putting together a more formal proposal.

    RA

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    Spiderwoman
    Post subject: PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:05 pm

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    any bare knuckle fights coming up?

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    FoxfireJessE
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:04 pm

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    Bare Fisted Fights Yes or NO?
    Yes
    48% [ 13 ]
    No
    51% [ 14 ]

    Total Votes : 27

    Looks like it’s pretty split!

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    BreeZyBabii187
    Post subject: PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:46 am

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    absolutly. if nothing else than to see just how wll i’d do against another fighter straight-up, no gloves, just skill, sounds good to me.

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