Carano (3-0) / Kedzie (7-4) for elitexc card – Feb. 10th.

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    adriennaaj
    Post subject: Carano (3-0) / Kedzie (7-4) for elitexc card – Feb. 10th. Post Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:02 pm
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    This is from the UG; So i dont know its acuracy- but it was posted by The EliteXC. I actually think this is a great macth up. Kedzie has some great kickboxing experience and really great takedowns- She had the most beautiful double and singles when she recently fought jan finney at the kotc, set them up great as well; and Gina comes from a very strong kickboxing background. Healthy Training to both ladies!! Good luck as well!

    “Here is the complete fight card
    Televised fights: Frank Shamrock vs Renzo Gracie, Antonio Silva vs Wesley “Cabbage” Correira, Joey Villasenor vs David Loiseau, KJ Noons vs Krazy Horse Bennett, Gina Carano vs Julie Kedzie,

    Internet Fights: Riki Fukuda vs Seth Kleinbeck, Javier Vazquez vs Adriano Nasal, Mike Pyle vs Ross “Da Boss” Ebanez, Tim Persey vs Bo Cantrell, John Shackelford vs Edson Berto”
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    adriennaaj
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    Sorry everyonr, now that i think about it i shoudnt post things without actually confirming it. This should just be considered something i fowarded from a forum. I apoligize if this isnt acurate.
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    Rikki
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    I hope this is true. I’d imagine that it would be a good match up!
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    Rox21
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    I wanna fight.

    I thought Carano was a good 150 lbs. What’s Kedzie?
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    Rikki
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    Rox21 wrote:
    I thought Carano was a good 150 lbs. What’s Kedzie?
    All of Carano’s MMA opponents have been in the 125 – 135 lb. range. Kedzie had cut down to that range the last I heard.
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    Maulinator
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    Gina cuts from about 145-150 I think. Julie was about 130-132 when we fought in Nov. I think this is going to be a really good fight- good matchup.
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    Rosi
    Post subject: PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:55 pm
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    Quote:
    All of Carano’s MMA opponents have been in the 125 – 135 lb. range.
    That may be true, but Carano certainly isn’t – the lowest she could make in September (after a large cut) was 139lbs.

    She’s quite a lot bigger than Kedzie, from what I recall.
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    Carano’s last fight was at 150lbs, and her opponent weighed in at 151 I think.
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    adriennaaj
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    “Shaw also expressed his intention to make fighter Gina Carano a focal point of the newly formed EliteXC promotion. “I went to lunch with Gina and I told her that I want her to be the face of women’s MMA,” recounted Shaw. “She leaned over and said, ‘I heard you, but let me tell you something, I can fight.’ She will be the first woman [fighter] featured on Showtime.”

    It was also revealed during the conference call that Carano’s first opponent will be Julie Kedzie, the Hook-N-Shoot Ladies Grand Prix champion. ”

     
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    chad
    Post subject: PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:20 pm
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    Dont you think if you are going to be the FACE OF WOMENS MMA

    YOU SHOULD BE TOP LEVEL AND BE WILLING TO FIGHT TOP LEVEL WOMEN

    BUCKNER, HOWE, PURCELL, LAROSA, D-AUGASTIE ROXANNE AND MANY OTHERS WERE ALL DENIED TIHS FIGHT AT 135 WHY BECASUE SHE CANT BEAT THEME THIS IS A LOAD OF CRAP GIVE ME A BREAK WHEN DID TOP WOMENS MMA BECOME HAND PICKED OPPONANTS AND WHAT DO THEY PLAN TO DO WHEN THEY RUN OUT OF WOMEN FOR HER TO BEAT ??????????

    IMO THIS CHEAPENS WHAT ALL THE WOMEN HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO ACHIEVE!!!
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    Here is something that might interest you about Gina from an interview!!

    It turns out that coincidentally Glenn Carano is a friend of Pro Elite’s President in charge of live event promotions, Gary Shaw.

    “I wasn’t informed that they were friends,” Gina explained. “But once my dad heard that I’m going to be fighting for Gary Shaw, he said ‘Great, sign the contract.’ My dad is a marketing director and he works to bring events together and he and Gary knew each other through boxing shows in Reno.

    “I’m excited. I think Gary is going to bring a lot to the sport given his background in boxing. On a personal level I think he’s completely himself. He’s honest and he doesn’t tell people what they want to hear.”

    Gina Carano is the real deal. She puts on no airs about her obvious physical gifts and natural beauty.

    “People talk about it and it boggles my mind. If you had asked me four years ago I wouldn’t have believed it. I have a long ways to go. I haven’t even reached my potential. People might say she’s attractive but I think it’s more because I wear my heart on my sleeve and people see something in me that’s kind of unique. But it’s a positive to my ego and that’s okay with me” she concludes, laughing.

    A reviewer of “Ring Girls” might have put it best when he described Gina Carano as “stunningly gorgeous and tough as nails.” It’s worth tuning in to EliteXC on Showtime on February 10 just to see her in action – she’s destined for stardom.
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    “his intention to make fighter Gina Carano a focal point of the newly formed EliteXC promotion”

    I don’t even know who she is, but before we all gang up on her- I think that he’s just trying to hype her. She never claims to be better then all the girls that you listed.

    I think a lot of organizations have a girl fighter that in their opinion or ads is the face of women’s MMA. What else are they going to say- she’s great, but not as great as….
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    JulesK
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    chad wrote:
    Dont you think if you are going to be the FACE OF WOMENS MMA

    YOU SHOULD BE TOP LEVEL AND BE WILLING TO FIGHT TOP LEVEL WOMEN

    BUCKNER, HOWE, PURCELL, LAROSA, D-AUGASTIE ROXANNE AND MANY OTHERS WERE ALL DENIED TIHS FIGHT AT 135 WHY BECASUE SHE CANT BEAT THEME THIS IS A LOAD OF CRAP GIVE ME A BREAK WHEN DID TOP WOMENS MMA BECOME HAND PICKED OPPONANTS AND WHAT DO THEY PLAN TO DO WHEN THEY RUN OUT OF WOMEN FOR HER TO BEAT ??????????

    IMO THIS CHEAPENS WHAT ALL THE WOMEN HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO ACHIEVE!!!
    CHAD

    That was certainly a ringing endorsement of support, Chad. Not that I consider myself to be at the top of this weight class, but I do find your remarks a bit trying…my record may not be pristine, but at least I’ve put my time in.

    jules
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    Rikki
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    Julie, I think Chad’s remarks were directed at Carano. You certainly aren’t afraid to fight the top level women – LaRosa, Bazler, I’ve seen you ask to fight Debi. I don’t think anyone was trying to call you out. I think Chad is just frustrated that Carano is getting so much hype because of who she knows. That’s just the way I interpreted the post, though.
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    chad
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    Jules I support you 100% and want you to kick her ass…… I am just saying is Gina big ticket for the future of MMA is her DAD….

    Carano is not good for MMA is my point!

    Chad
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    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:09 am
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    Chad,
    I manage Julie. (remember) Although I agree with you on some points. I have so much respect for Julie. You will see great things from her I am 100% sure. After this fight she is moving & we are re-grouping.

    I hope Carana takes her lightly. Marco always taught me the “fight you think will be the easiest ends up being the hardest” 😉

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    debi
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    Julie,
    I leave for CaNCUN tommorow. PLease call me today so I can update you on this past weekend all good stuff sista.

    Kami and Nate will be around while I can not be reached and I will return on Monday. Ill leave you with the hotel info. You can come here to kick Chads butt if you want hahah
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    KhorneliusPraxx
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:44 am

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    debi wrote:
    I manage Julie.

    debi wrote:
    After this fight she is moving & we are re-grouping.

    So, Julie is moving to California?

    Good luck, Jules. Indiana will miss you.
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    MNkkgMMA
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:09 am
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    A month ago they approached me about fighting Gina (for showtime). Even though she was quoted saying she’d fight any one they put in front of her, they(not even sure who THEY were, could have been squashed by Shotime, or Gina’s managment might have said no) wouldn’t do the fight(at any weight). After they announced her being the face of women’s mma, they were actually trying to get Miss Mississippi, who has apparently had a couple of foxy boxing type bouts. When talking to us one of the first questions that they asked my manager was “Is she hot?” (asking that about me)

    It’s kind of sad that even though this will be the biggest break women’s mma has ever had it still wont mean much to the top 15 girls for various reasons. Either they won’t be small enough, pretty enough, or they’ll have had too much experience, or something.

    Julie, hopefully you’ll kick her butt good. Then they’ll have to bring you back and you can help show the world that fighting is about more than being pretty. (not that you aren’t pretty. You’re just very tough too)
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    debi
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    Well said Kelly…

    I went after the fight for myself also and was told NO ! I have too much ground !

    I do not like to smash anyone publicly it is not my style. However I think this is one of the biggest show case’s of womens MMA and it is a big concern they only want to market one girl because of her looks and not her skills

    I actually think Gina could be good for women’s MMA ,and like it or not looks play a part in sports. However I can do without the “Ill fight anyone comments”. “face of women’s MMA” Unless you are willing to step up and do so.
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    debi
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    Good news Ladies, with a little luck IFL will be doing some women’s MMA soon, I have spoken directly with the owner’s and their big concern is talent and skills and having the right women fight. not looks. They are all about pure sport and it is refreshing.

    Also I have been talking to Amanda Buckner And Jennifer Howe and I think with their help the women League we are working on will take off. !

    There is also a women I am working with Named Belinda *prime time * from New Zeland doing great things . So keep plunging foward as we always do !
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    Rikki
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    debi wrote:
    Good news Ladies, with a little luck IFL will be doing some women’s MMA soon, I have spoken directly with the owner’s and their big concern is talent and skills and having the right women fight. not looks. They are all about pure sport and it is refreshing.

    Also I have been talking to Amanda Buckner And Jennifer Howe and I think with their help the women League we are working on will take off. !

    There is also a women I am working with Named Belinda *prime time * from New Zeland doing great things . So keep plunging foward as we always do !
    I was hoping that (especially with you as an assistant coach now) they would add a 135lb woman to each team.
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    adriennaaj
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    Debi,
    Thanks for all that you have done for the sport. Honestly, There has been so much accomplished because of you and your team. For any girl/guy thats a fighter, fan, supporter- your a wonderful asset.
    Good luck Julie!! I know she will do fantastic.
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    Gina was on mma weekly today discussing future and her fight.
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    warrior14
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    Julie, I also give you a HELL of alot more credit than Gina. I hope you beat her and it ruins their plans. It would actually be a HUGE help to them, I think, as you will actually step up and fight the girls that she refuses. More skilled fights for them if you beat Gina and they have to bank on you………

    Debi, I agree with AJ. Thank you SO MUCH for all that you have done for women’s MMA! If it wasn’t for you, there are many promoters that wouldn’t be taking us serious right now. Thanx.
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    MNkkgMMA
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:13 pm
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    Showtime has never aired a women’s boxing event?
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    satanico
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    Showtime has had women’s boxing for a long time. Christy Martin was the first on there.
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    JulesK
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    Chad, I’m sorry I came across as such a grump…you guys would not believe the bizarre emails I’ve gotten regarding this fight and how many times I’ve been told “I’m being set up to lose”…I guess I’m just getting a little fed up.

    In my opinion, in the ring or the cage we are two fighters there to do our jobs…not beauty contestants, not some spectacle..just fighters, you know? And I’d rather give Carrano (whom I know is tough) the benefit of the doubt that she believes the same…but that is just my opinion. I am not involved in the politics of this issue and would prefer not to be (that’s why I have such a kick-ass manager–so my job is just the fighting 😉 )

    Anyway, I want to thank you all for your support; I love my fightergirls (and guys 😀 ) and regardless of the outcome this match, I am hopeful that the exposure will further women in this sport. Go ladies!!

    XOXOXO
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    hanoverfist
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    Isn’t Gina Carano one of the girls that went to Thailand to fight the Thai girls in kickboxing on the Oxygen channel special? If I remember correctly she actually looked pretty sharp on her feet throwing combos and she was hungry for the fight. She did have a good fight with Elaina Maxwell and it looks like she survived a traingle choke to come back to win that fight via decision. I wouldn’t discredit her because she is pretty and just because some have chosen to promote her as “the new face of mma” or whatever I still believe good will come from this and it is promising to see her stepping up to fight Julie. I wish the best for both girls and believe that the exposure will be good for womens mma altogether. I mean think about it, there is some great things starting to happen for this sport.
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    Rikki
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    I agree that you can’t hold her responsible for what the promoter is saying. I just wish that LaRosa, Buckner, Howe, or someone else who has put their time into this sport had been given the chance. I’m not trying to say anything bad about Carano; it’s just that she’s put her blood, sweat, and tears into kickboxing, not MMA. And while she will probably get there, there are other women more deserving of such a big break in this sport.
    That said, I would have accepted the fight as well if I was in her position. 😉
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    I Love U Julie!!!!! Please move to Cali…….
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    KhorneliusPraxx
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    Holy Crapola!!!
    a Greta sighting!!!
    she lives…she lives!!!
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    Chad made a very good point – who Gina’s father is. Just like any business, it’s not what you know but WHO you know.

    Gina’s dad is Glen Carano…can’t remember what pro football team he was on, but he is now a casino owner in Reno and is worth MILLIONS. With a background like that, he has ten times the connections any of us do.

    Gina is beautiful and so is Julie so I hope they put on a good fight and I am sure they will. They were either gonna promote Gina or me and of course when I was not picked – I was bummed, but it’s all about the connections, so I cannot take it personally.

    Just know it’s nothing about who is better or not – Gary Shaw is a huge promoter and is smart going to MMA from boxing. Female Boxing has been on Showtime for a while. I had my fight with Ali on Showtime, so it will be the first time women OR men are on Showtime w/ MMA.

    They have several more fights scheduled so don’t give up hope
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    MNkkgMMA
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    Is there a woman fighter out there who didn’t want this chance?

    Pave the way ladies! Open some doors for the rest of us! I hope both of them do really really well in the fight.
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    adriennaaj
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    Julie is up on the elitexc site! thats a great photo of her.

    Also, there is a preview for carano on the showtime website- pretty neat. They are really hyping this fight. It looks like it will be a great oppurtunity for both girls. Looks to be a fantastic fight.

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    Audio interview of Gina: She sounds really down to earth- I dont know how to download it but i think you just click on the title. Cheers!
    http://www.mmanews.com

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    derUbermensc
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    I don’t understand how this isn’t a well-matched bout.
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    MNkkgMMA
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    It should be a great match up, I think som of us just have a little bit of envy going on. (Myself included)
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    treelizard
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    Julie, I for one predict that you are going to kick some serious a$$!

    BE THE FEEDER!
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    MNkkgMMA
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    I think Julie will win too, but I haven’t seen much about Gina, except for her strike force fight.
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    Rikki
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    Gina is a tough stand up fighter. I’m not sure what her Muay Thai record is but she was one of the contestants on Fight Girls. It’s been too long since I’ve watched it so I can’t remember how far she got (for all I know she went to Thailand and won). And she managed to beat Rosi smile (don’t know any details).
    It should be a tough fight for both of them.
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    treelizard
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    Hopefully she won’t be, um…conveniently unable to cut weight this time.
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    MNkkgMMA
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    Did Gina have problems missing weight for another fight?
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    treelizard
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    MNkkgMMA wrote:
    Did Gina have problems missing weight for another fight?
    Yeah, she weighed in at 139 when she fought Rosi… I think there’s a thread about it here somewhere! Rosi usu. fights at 125 and was promised Gina would be 135…
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    satanico
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    Gina did it again. Kedzie gave her the extra though.

    Gina Carano, Sherdog reports 141.5 but announced 141.25 vs. Julie Kedzie 139 Sherdog reports, though the announcer said 137 lbs.

    Julie is a good sport. I would have made Gina weigh nude and probably have to cut her pigtails off.
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    Rikki
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    What weight were they supposed to be at?
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    MNkkgMMA
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:14 am
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    140lbs?
    What time does this start tonight?
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    Rikki
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    I believe it starts at 10pm eastern. I guess I won’t be watching it. Showtime just doesn’t have enough good stuff to warrant $13 a month. 🙄
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    chad
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    Best of Luck Julie!!!! I wish I was there….. I would have not let you fight if I had a say!!!

    Chad
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    I thought they were suppose to fight @ 135????
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    Rikki
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    Correction on my earlier post:

    Gina was not a competitor in Fight Girls – she was a coach. She was a fighter in the docu-movie Ring Girls and the inspiration for Fight Girls (the American who Toddy took to Thailand and won).
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    FightingFury44
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    the video of their fight is posted in the video smile for those who have not seen it.
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    KhorneliusPraxx
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    Crap!!!!
    I thought this was in Washington for some reason. If I would have known that it was just outside of Memphis…I would have gone!!! 😡
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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:49 am

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    Folks, I think all this talk about “cutting weight” and “looks” should be put to rest. It’s not really an issue here. Julie Kedzie *is* already a proven top-level fighter, tough as nails, and is a powerhouse at her weight. Gina’s walk around weight is closer to 145 not 150 and it’s not like she was ripped at 5% bodyfat for the weigh-in. She’s 3-4″ taller than Julie so it makes her look bigger than she actually is…and, was smaller than Elaina Maxwell (who’s walk around weight is 155+) for her last fight on the Strikeforce card. Also, if anything, cutting/gaining dramatically can weaken the body which could also be considered a disadvantage going into a fight.

    Although, I can understand why a number of you other girls would want your shot at Gina now (before she really establishes her ground game) which is also a wise move on your part. The good news is she’s at a size/weight where she should be able to float pretty easily up or down so you’ll all get your chances. And I think as an initial debut for Showtime it turned out to be a perfect matchup which will only make the hype and promotion potential that much greater for you other girls as those fights are put together.

    I agree the “female Liddell” or even Sylvia, Arlovski analogy would be accurate (right now) but Gina does have “female Fedor” potential when she gets her bjj and submissions into full gear. She actually grew up wrestling and much of her defensive ground comes instinctually so I think you’ll be surprised at how quickly that will be added to the arsenal. She’s still very young and at her age *already* in Debi and Erin’s league in terms of striking/kicking power and ability.

    As for the 3 min rounds I’d say in reality it favored Julie more in that it gave her time to recover, that along with her rock solid chin. Gina paced herself nicely and was not nearly as spent, stays very relaxed, and with the MT background has plenty of stamina to spare for mma.

    Muay Thai is proving to be an excellent base transition into mma and I think is exactly what’s been needed to bring higher skilled matchups, better strikers and more $$$ to the women’s side of the sport. Germaine de Randamie is another MT girl with an extensive wrestling background who has “female Fedor” potential if she decides to make the transition.

    But for right now Gina Vs anyone in the top 5-10 makes for some terrific matchups…and, also great to hear Erin T is evidently on her way down to 150, a collision course which could end up being “Showtime Superfight” from a promotional standpoint.
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    satanico
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:56 pm

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    rick_alexio wrote:
    Also, if anything, cutting/gaining dramatically can weaken the body which could also be considered a disadvantage going into a fight.
    Except she doesn’t actually cut all the way. She does a little and fights smaller fighters who gave her the difference 3/4 fights.
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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:23 pm

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    Well it was a cool and classy move by Julie letting the extra 8oz go so Gina wouldn’t have to strip down to make weight. And I believe Gina gave away about a pound and a half to Elaina the other way in their fight. But what I’m saying here is that these aren’t major factors. The claims of her cutting 20 lbs as if she’s some ripped beast at 155-160 are completely far-fetched, and even if she did cut that much would drain her physically to the point of a disadvantage. Many of the girls who stay a bit closer 132-135 simply maintain a higher (LBM) Lean Body Mass level. Elaina was bigger and Gina still bullied her around the ring because that’s just part of her style, same as it was in MT.

    Wouldn’t matter if it was Becky Levy, when enough major bombs like that start dropping on the jaw and dome that’s when the weakness sets in, backpedalling and holding on begins. Besides, even Megumi and Marloes had to give up way more natural size to Erin along with tons of similar situations with other girls whereas with Gina we’re splitting hairs here.

    satanico wrote:
    rick_alexio wrote:
    Also, if anything, cutting/gaining dramatically can weaken the body which could also be considered a disadvantage going into a fight.
    Except she doesn’t actually cut all the way. She does a little and fights smaller fighters who gave her the difference 3/4 fights.
    Last edited by rick_alexio on Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:55 am, edited 1 time in total.

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    Maulinator
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:15 pm
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    No offence to Gina (personally I like the girl) BUT

    I have been on both ends of the spectrum here. I have been underweight by 10 pounds and still given a pound or 2 to my opponent and I have had to cut anywhere from 3 to 20 pounds (of water weight) for a fight. I have done it on a same day weigh in and done it when I had 3 days to cut. Both me and my opponent have been the same weight, but overweight for a fight and were both still required to cut. I have had to strip down naked in front of more than one man I didn’t know, and I have had to cut while PMSing and bloated as all hell (actually most of the time thats the case)

    Yes it drains you (that’s the point of making your opponent make weight), yes 3-4 pounds don’t really make a difference in the end and yes it is classy to let your oponent off the hook for a couple of pounds however:

    We are profesional athletes and we are expected to be on point with our weight no matter how we have to get there. It sucks but it’s our job.

    If it doesn’t matter why do we have weight classes?? I am actually in favor of giving a +/- margin of maybe 3 pounds, but thats just not the “weigh” 😀 it is…
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    satanico
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:05 pm

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    You are talking about Elaina Maxwell, the only fight where Gina actually fought someone in her weight class. I am talking about every other MMA fight she had. Pestova and smile aren’t near her weight. Kedzie knew she would be giving up size and still gave up a bit more. If it’s only “splitting hairs” like you say MAKE THE WEIGHT.

    Megumi and Marloes knew going in it was openweight. They signed up knowing IF they won and IF Erin won they would be against a larger fighter not a fighter who had no regard for the cut that would “drain her physically to the point of a disadvantage.” If you cut it you EARN the advantage. Toughill said she is going to 150 and she will probably be the strongest 150er around. But she is doing the work to get there NOT ambushing a smaller opponent at the last minute.
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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:55 am

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    While I understand and agree much of what you both are saying an 8oz “ambush” is going a bit over the top here. 😉 I’m quite sure Gina would have stripped down or done whatever necessary to make it “official” but Julie stepped in and made the *choice* to let it go…so she ‘was’ fully aware going in and accepted it. There were no other issues with Gina making weight in her other fights…although, Pestova should have never been in the ring with Gina (at any weight) but those things have happened to most of the girls at one time or another and it was a first fight situation and Leticia really wanted it. And the fight with Elaina was *not* at her normal fight weight. Gina fought light/welterweight range in MT and Elaina fought 3-4 divisions up as light middleweight. Now I will agree that Gina’s strike/kick power is above Elaina’s division but that’s not her problem, it’s her opponents’ problem.

    And the main point here is that Gina is not in “ripped” condition even cutting from 140-145. Her body composition is in no way dramatically different from a Laura, Debi, or Kelly would be even at 135. You also sacrifice other things like agility, stamina and speed (which equates to power) by carrying more weight which I feel she did to a degree by moving up to fight Elaina. And I happen to like Erin much better at 150-155 (as long as it’s solid)…speed has been her only/primary weakness IMO. But if she ‘earns’ her way down to 150.5 with her clothes on I’m certainly not going to split hairs or cry “ambush” over it.
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    Rikki
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:09 am
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    rick_alexio wrote:
    There were no other issues with Gina making weight in her other fights…
    When she fought Rosi smile……

    Tanswell wrote:
    The fight was agreed at 135 lbs. Rosi should be fighting at 125 lbs, but we were offered this opportunity at the higher weight and decided to take it.

    When we got there for the weigh in, we were told that Gina was having trouble making weight (apparently she normally fights at 145 lbs). She eventually weighed in at 139 lbs, having obviously already made a large cut and very dehydrated. At that point, she said that she couldn’t and wouldn’t cut any more weight. She said to Rosi “I know you haven’t come all this way not to fight”.
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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:59 am

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    Obviously Tanswell is going be biased towards his own fighter and I don’t blame him. But even he stated Gina’s normal fight weight as 145, which is not true it’s been 140-145 (and actually should be on the lighter side) but nevertheless she fought Elaina who’s a solid 156+ girl and well above her optimal weight. I’m not disagreeing that she should “ALWAYS MAKE WEIGHT” but she’s gone both ways and if she were at 135-140 (which is where she should be) would be even better. These are understandable managerial moves and she’s gone higher and lower to get a feel for all the divisions. But I’ll say this much, from now on if she agrees to fight at whatever given weight, and can’t make, she should pull out of the fight herself until she can, because if not she’ll never hear the end of it. 😛
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    Tanswell
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:08 am

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    No bias, just clear, factual information.

    Nobody who was present at the time has ever disputed any of what I wrote there.
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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:26 am

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    I’m not disputing what you wrote either, and I like Rosi and completely respect her abilities. A bias would be natural for your own fighter but doesn’t mean you’re being dishonorable with your take on what took place. The only thing I’m not buying is the assumption that Gina (herself) is purposely “ambushing” smaller girls by not making weight. By going up to fight Elaina it’s not like she wasn’t willing to do the same thing herself that lighter fighters coming up in weight would have to do. It’s your choice to accept the fight with the weight difference or not. And if there’s an issue like this there should be a stipulation in the contract that if the weight isn’t made you get compensated and/or the fight get rescheduled. I’m not aware of what you contracted but in the future I would consider that issue as standard practice if it wasn’t in this case. What happens too many times is “oh, a few lbs difference…yes we still accept the fight” then after a loss it’s suddenly a big issue.
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    abuckner
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:05 pm
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    It’s irrelevant that Gina was willing to fight someone heavier, that’s her own choice. She had already fought Elaina and was obviously comfortable with how her strength and size compared. I’m unclear at this point if she weighs 140 or 145 but if she’s close to 140 she should have had no problem making the weight for the Kedzie fight and if she’s 145 she shouldn’t be taking fights at 135 unless she knows she can make the weight which she obviously couldn’t in the case of Rosi. The Rosi situation sucked in my opinion because Rosi is small, (I’m small for 135 and she’s even smaller than me), and I’m sure was under weight. For Gina to cut and only be able to make 139 means she was between five and ten pounds heavier by the time they fought. Gina is skilled and it’s crazy to think that wouldn’t make a difference. I’m not even saying that it changed the outcome of the fight because I haven’t seen it and have no idea what it looked like. Rosi is a game fighter and of course she was going to choose to fight, but is sucks that she was put in the position of having to make that choice. In my mind it’s very clear cut, agree to a weight and then make the weight. Obvioulsy most people are going to give you the extra if you don’t make it but it’s disrespectful to make them have to do it.
    Rick – there is one small thing you said that I just have to address. You made a comment that said obviously other fighters were going to want their shot at Gina now before her ground game catches up. I think you are doing a huge disservice to alot of the women in the fighting community and greatly underestimating the fighting spirit, for lack of a better term, of alot of the women fighters to assume that people are wanting to fight her before she gets to good. I for one would rather fight her once she has trained the ground for a longer period of time because if we fight and I happen to catch her in a submission I wouldn’t want to hear any crap about how she’s newer to the ground game. I would want her at her best and I know most of the top tier women probably feel the same.
    The only other thing I have to say on this topic is that the three minute rounds in the Kedzie/Carano were bullshit no matter how you look at it. Either they did it because they are women which is crap or they did it because Carano is a striker and it is common knowledge that shorter rounds favor strikers. We’ll never know if it had an effect in this fight or not , Kedzie was in trouble at the end of round one but Carano was on the bottom of a solid side control at the end of round two. But like I said, it’s crap that their fight was the only one on the card that was three minute rounds.
    I don’t want anyone to misinterpret anything I’m saying to be negative about Gina. I think she is an amazing addition to womens mma and if strikers of her level are getting interested in mma it makes me hopeful that others will follow which will elevate the womens scene to a whole new level.
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    warrior14
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:47 pm
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    I think it’s simple. It’s not disrespectful and it’s not saying Gina isn’t a terrific fighter. If you can’t make 35, don’t say you are a 35 fighter. No big deal. Fight at 40 or 45.
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    chad
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:38 pm
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    I have to agree with Amanda here.. As a wrestler if you didn’t make weight well you forefit. In this case both fighters are asked if they agree to fight. (but read your contract before fighting) as being the one that makes the weight and the other party didn’t you are entitled to ask for more money or the other fighters fight purse.

    Management and contracts are really important here.. Sign a good manager and fight in good shows for more $$.

    Chad
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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:51 pm

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    Amanda, we’ve got 2 perspectives going on here, a managerial/promotional perspective and the fighters perspective. There was accusation of Gina “ducking” some of the girls with more or “too much ground” experience so I was addressing that only from a managerial standpoint. As I’m sure you’re aware handlers often make moves and choices which will benefit their fighters career interests ($) over anything else. From a true fighters standpoint, I absolutely agree, those who are first and foremost in it for challenging themselves against the best to be the best. There’s no true challenge in fighting someone who has not had ample time to transition and gain enough experience in a particular discipline. I actually planted that seed to see if anyone would respond and my respect level for you as fighter just rose that much higher than it already was. Some martial artists might improve themselves to the standards of a fixed style, but a true ‘complete’ fighter measures him/herself to the standards of human potential and doesn’t compromise that objective.

    As for Gina, I’ve agreed she should be making whatever the agreed upon weight is, but whether it’s her or anyone else they have a choice to either accept or not accept a fight whenever the weight is not made. Again my only problem was with the disrespectful assertion that Gina (herself) is purposely doing this to gain an unfair advantage.
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    Rikki
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:25 am
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    Again my only problem was with the disrespectful assertion that Gina (herself) is purposely doing this to gain an unfair advantage.
    I’m just not sure that it can be seen any other way when she can’t make 135 but continues to set fights at that weight. Once or twice (and maybe it’s only happened twice, I won’t even pretend to know) I guess you can let slide but after that the fighter should know that they need to be in a higher weight class.

    But that’s not even considering the fact that you should do a test run on cutting the weight several months before your first fight. That way you’ll know if you can make the weight or if you need to be making some calls to the promoter!
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