Getting shoved … what would you Do?

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    Lil Katai
    Post subject: Getting shoved … what would …..PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:36 pm
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    So on New Years Eve I was at this house party with my brother and sister-in-law. When the ball dropped, I got a long kiss from this guy that was at the party. No I didnt know him but it was set up before the count down that we would kiss cause I was “single” and so was he.

    After this happened, some chick out of no where starts going off on a tangent calling me every name in the book cause I kissed this guy that I didnt know. Then she proceeded to shove me in the face and walk away talking more shit.

    Me, standing there in shock that that just happened, said “what the fuck was that for!?” ….. before anything else could have happened, I was getting escorted out of the house by the people that owned it.

    I finally realized what had happened once I was standing on the side walk and emeditly got mad about it because of someone else “assulting” me. A day or two later after telling a couple people, including of of my partners here at work that would have told me not to fight, was asking me why didnt I beat her ass. I was thinking the same thing ……

    Should I have beatin her ass for “assulting” me or was I the bigger person cause I just took it and walked eventhough I kinda felt violated? Im sure if I was still allowed to stay at the party that something would have happened later in the night.

    What would you have done in that situation?

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    dl_angel
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:34 pm

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    Eh well seems like you didn’t have too much of a choice- I hate those moments where I’m too slow to get upset so I end up regretting not talking to someone or hitting someone 😆 I hate being CONFUSED about what’s going on. I end up just sitting there trying to figure things out, then realize I’m FURIOUS later on. But the moment is gone… 🙄

    I tend to err on the side of caution though because I generally figure that I don’t know the whole story if someone reacts so violently. I’d feel pretty bad if I hurt someone and then found out after the fact that she had a legitimate reason to be mad (even if I didn’t do anything intentionally and she was overreacting).

    In high school, my friend defended this other girl who was getting shoved around… ended up with a shattered nose. We thought the other girl was innocent, but apparently (we found out later) she’d said some pretty nasty things to the girl who shoved her (used the “n” word). I won’t “take a bullet” for someone who was begging for a fight and I won’t support that sort of attitude. Anyways point being that it LOOKED like the girl was getting psycho mad over nothing at all, but in reality she had a reason for her behavior. It doesn’t mean the behavior’s right or good, but it changes the scenario a little bit.

    So yeh… in counseling, we usually have the mentality that for every action there is a reaction… or more broadly, people act a certain way because of things in their past or in reaction to something someone else did. Sometimes the reaction gets taken out on someone who doesn’t deserve it. Not to say defending yourself isn’t appropriate, but I think ideally I’d stop at defense and a “What’s up, talk to me like a person- I don’t understand why you’re mad.”

    I think the most frustrating part of situations like this is you end up not knowing and not getting the answers. I’ve had a couple of similar situations- I am always torn between my peace-maker side and also my angry reaction. Of course, the moment usually passes thanks to my confusion so that neither gets a chance to put on a good show. 😉

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    fightermnb
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:38 pm

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    Usually I would have said “HELL YEA” go to town on her monkey ass, but recently having had a knife pulled on me in a somewhat similar situation. Exhusband wanting to know what I was doing in his exwifes place, he went and grabbed a knife, started demanding answers as to what was “going on” and how long things had been “going on”. I was in the middle when all this happend, I work nights and my friend had the day off so after hitting the gym and hanging out I was like “can I crash here for a hour before driving home” ( i don’t drive sleepy since I ran into a tree) Anway I verbally diffused the situation and got him to put the knife down but when he came through the door I was just thinking “Fuck I’m going to get cut, and I’m probobly going to kill him FUCK”. Anyway after he put the knife down I was still debating on whoopin his ass but realized I don’t need charges pressed against me, and it’s best for me to let him leave. Thats the short version

    So back to your situation, I think you did the right thing, but pride and anger are hard to overcome, i still want to kick the guys ass but I know I’d win and either knock him out or go to submission town and start breaking stuff. Then of course I’d have to explain how i did it and y i don’t have a mark. I think people who train have a much higher tolerence to violence as in if she had punched you and assumed some kind of fighting stance you prorobly would have gone off and taken her out, but since you’ve probobly had much worse just training with a newbie on their first day your immediate reaciton was WTF vs YOU MAKE HULK MAD, HULK SMASH

    Anyway you were the better person, and odds are sometime in the near future what she did to you and I bet others will be back to bite her in the ass. I try to remember what one of my Instructors told me. There are 3 ways of dealing with a fight
    1) talk your way out
    2) run away
    3) finish them off as quickly as possible by ANY means and make sure you get home

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    Lil Katai
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:00 pm
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    See, when it comes down to situations when it involves someone elses “lover” or whatever they may be, I know this happens all the time, but there isnt any reason why she should have gotten mad at me, but rather him.

    I think if I would have known her and she did that to me, it would not have been that big of a deal. But because I had no idea who she was, it got me heated up. I tried talking but she wasnt listening. She was just going on with her comments and then didnt have the “balls” to finsh what she started with the shove but instead made sure she was gone before I could react.

    I think my problem is that I am a really layed back person and havent been in a street fight since 8th grade …. thats 9 years ago ….. and I think Im intimaded by it cause Im not sure how it would turn out. Chicks on the street fight dirty and like hair pulling and shit ….. I cant deal with that. I been in a lot of strret fights as a kid but never once did I fight a chick ….. and I think now Im happy I didnt.

    I could tell by her actions that this chick was the type of goody prissy chick at school that was mis popular and still carries that attitude now even though most people lose it after school.

    I dont think I would have gotten in trouble for hitting her back cause she assulted me first and in my defense …… it was self defense if I had reacted.

    It would have been a pretty ugly fight though …….. 😈

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    fightermnb
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:09 pm

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    so called “lover” drama and bs is RARELY based on any kind fo reason. I site 80% of the Jerry Springer show, which is why if a girl tells me she’s got a guy or seeing someone I immediatly back off. You however got caught in a Classic “Springer Moment” lol

    I’m super laid back 2 I haven’t gotten in a street fight since a crack head stole my keys and tried to sell them back to me a few years back but thats another story. I can get over practicly anything with a big sammich and some cartoons (the ones that don’t involve trading cards of course), but you did the right thing so

    DEAL WITH IT
    LOL

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    fightermnb
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:15 pm

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    Just read DL response (we must have been posting @ the same time), good answer I’m ETERNALLY 🙁 confused. Why I like competing/fighting in the ring/on the mat. It’s simple, they want to do something bad to, so do something bad to them first, drink beer, get ready for next one.

    Problem solved

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    Lil Katai
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:17 pm
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    I haven’t gotten in a street fight since a crack head stole my keys and tried to sell them back to me a few years back

    LOL Thats awesome!

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    I can get over practicly anything with a big sammich and some cartoons

    Yeah, Im pretty much this way too. It take A LOT to really get me fired up. I get mad sometimes, but when I get FURIOUS … there is something wrong. I think I only get that way maybe once a year or once every other year. This is the third fight I have almost gotten into in the past 3 months. And two out of three of those times, I was FURIOUS (not this last time) which is totaly unusual. I think a lot of this has to do with my training. I havent been training hard or hardly at all from what I am use too and I havent really sparred with anyone either so I think I am just feening to hit someone.

    Fighting is seriouly a drug to me. Its like crack to a crakhead.

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    fightermnb
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:25 pm

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    well don’t bite me cause thats what the crack head did, and you better believe I went and got tested ASAP
    WHEW was that a scare

    I know what you mean about fighting and sparring though, if I don’t fight or spar I end up beating up my friends, putting them in leg locks, and punching them in the legs, or the kidney slap (my coach taught me that one the hard way, shake your hand with one hand then pull and slap your kidney REAL quick he’s a sadistic bastard, and I really wish I knew why I always hop in a cirlcle when he does it.)

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    scarce
    Post subject: PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:32 am
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    ..well…..the first thing you do…..
    ..is you have to show..that you own the situation
    ..you grab them by both arms or shoulders////
    ..and say buddy…buddy whats wrong ..are you okay???
    …what happened?? what did i do???…you act innocent and dumb
    ….if they start swinging ..punching….kicking….then i would block one….
    ….depending on the power of the punch…
    ..i ,would unleash accordingly…..
    …a weak punch….i would laugh and hold them…saying easy…easy…..
    ..a strong punch…..well…you get a hip toss…..and then…
    …oh you slipped ..let me help you…up///
    ,,,you help them up/ and proceed according to their violence
    /come on/ that was an easy one..give a harder situation/
    ..oh yeah/ scarce 1/ i own the gracies…and i own brazil/thank you/

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    Mark Grassman
    Post subject: PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 10:46 am
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    You did the right thing by not fighting back. If you had kicked her butt over a shove, you would have been arrested.

    Since she attacked you, the law is on your side. I’d consider giving a statement to the police, if I were you.

    However, if she had brandished a weapon, then you would have been within your right to self defence.

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    powerhockey17
    Post subject: Don’t take this the wrong way!PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 2:43 pm
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    Personally, I don’t think you should have kissed somene that you don’t know at someone else’s house (Even if it is New Years). I am not saying you are at fault at all, but the guy never should have kissed you if he did not know you. Especially if he is taken as well…What was he thinking??

    I know you may say, “well how was I supposed to know the guy was “taken”?. I just think with alcohol and the event, one must be very careful who they are around and what they do.

    Look I have done stuff like this before and had to learn the hard way. I have learned to be careful in a party setting. I have had many people “start” with me for no reason.

    BTW..I would have kicked her sorry ass!

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    Lil Katai
    Post subject: PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 10:05 pm
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    Since she attacked you, the law is on your side. I’d consider giving a statement to the police, if I were you.

    Here in Detroit the police would not do anything about it. They would seriously ask me why I was giving them a statement. They just dont care about stuff like that. A buddy of mine had some guy bust into his house and try beating his ass but my buddy Mike ended up shattering his nose (my buddy Mike is only 5’4 and 120lbs and this guy was over 6’0 and almost 200lbs). The cops where called and they did nothing about it. They wouldnt take a statement there or anything.

    Same buddy, his car got smashed by a hit and run driver that lived across the street from him. Mike called the cops, they came out and even the neibhors seen it and got the lisc plate number. The cops traced the plate, found a name and house which did not match the person that was in the car, called the owner and questioned them about the hit and run, she said she didnt do it, and they drop it and didnt do anything about that either.

    Around here, unless its some serious stuff, cops dont care. Its a shame, but its true. Specially to us kids that live near the broken house and shit, they just think its our life style and let it be.

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    I am not saying you are at fault at all, but the guy never should have kissed you if he did not know you. Especially if he is taken as well…What was he thinking??

    He was single

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    fightermnb
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:32 am

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    what was it you said you did for a living again???

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    dl_angel
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:55 am

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    Oh yeh- another thing… I would tend to walk on the “safe side” and not fight for legal reasons too- my friend defended himself against a guy who threw a punch at him first (after telling the guy to back off and that he didn’t want to fight for about 5 minutes)… bunch of people saw it and gave police reports (none of them tried stopping the fight or calling the police when he was the one being attacked). Unfortunately the guy he punched was friends with one of the officers at the station… and my friend was Black- in rural Texas (really bad combo if you guys don’t read the news often). Needless to say when he first gave the police report, the police were real friendly, but things changed oh-so-quickly.

    a lot of BAD stuff happened. 😥

    then again, in Detroit they may have better things to do. This was a pretty rural area. I just think how BAD it’d be if the girl was a daughter of a cop or something and you’d done something. I try to be nice to people, figuring that I might run across them inconveniently when they’re my new boss or their boyfriend/father/etc is a police officer who now has a special eye out for my car, etc. 😯 My dad’s got all sorts of good stories related to this so I always think REAL hard about that sort of thing. Even if they end up being the waitress at a restaurant I go to, I could end up with God-only-knows-what in my food. So I’m nice until I want to vomit. 😉

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    XcashXmoneyX
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:24 pm
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    that’s nothing to be ashamed of marie. its weird how much training and becoming an athlete changes your outlook on life. so, don’t be mad because you didn’t stoop to her level…everyone knows you’d break her face…or arm…or something anyway, you know?

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    dude
    Post subject: Re: Getting shoved … what would …..PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:35 pm

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    Lil Katai wrote:
    What would you have done in that situation?

    💡

    Well, if someone dissed me and attacked me, I’d beat their ass. That’s an easy one.

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    greatlaughter
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:17 pm
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    Marie,

    Ofcourse you feel enraged and pissed. If someone did that and walked away I’d be pissed too ‘cuz she got to react and I didn’t. But I do think you were the better person.

    But I like fighting for competition (ego, respect, athleticism). I don’t like the emotional violence stuff. I tend to be the calm one. Ready to get and maintain control. Instead of flipping out, you controlled yourself. It’s not worth it.

    But then, I’d love to say I’ll kick her ass if you want.

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    Lil Katai
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:18 pm
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    I just think how BAD it’d be if the girl was a daughter of a cop or something and you’d done something

    Well, that wouldnt be all so bad for me though cause I am also a cop and have connections.

    I think the main deal that would come to order is me being a fighter. If it went to court cause I broke her jaw or something, I know me being a professional fighter would lay heavely in her hands.

    Screw it, she just got lucky that night, thats all. But one of these times, shes going to come across a crazy bitch and is going to get mangled ….. Then I will laugh in her face! 😈

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    dude
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:34 pm

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    Lil Katai wrote:
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    Screw it, she just got lucky that night, thats all. But one of these times, shes going to come across a crazy bitch and is going to get mangled ….. Then I will laugh in her face! 😈

    u can’t let some crazy bitch diss you like that! u know what to do when u meet her next time? 😈

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    Lil Katai
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:09 pm
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    Wont get a chance to do anything cause I dont know what she looks like. It was New Years eve and I was drunk and also, when she did it, she just kept walking and never turned around so I never seen her face.

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    dude
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:25 pm

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    Lil Katai wrote:
    Wont get a chance to do anything cause I dont know what she looks like. It was New Years eve and I was drunk and also, when she did it, she just kept walking and never turned around so I never seen her face.

    you said she shoved you in your face. you must have gotten a good look at her face then.

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    Lil Katai
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:02 am
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    Nope, she came up from the side of me and just kept walking. she was never facing me so I never seen her face. All I seen and felt was a hand.

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    scarce
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:04 am
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    if you seen her hand…..
    did she have dry skin???
    did she have a hand tattoo??

    inspector gadget on the case?

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    dude
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:56 pm

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    Lil Katai wrote:
    Nope, she came up from the side of me and just kept walking. she was never facing me so I never seen her face. All I seen and felt was a hand.

    wouldn’t anyone at that party remember who that bitch was???

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    Lil Katai
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:52 pm
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    Im sure they would know who it was but I dont really talk with any of those people any more. They where all kids from school. I was there because my my sister-in-law. I dont really care to find out who she was. Im fine about it now. Lesson learned ……. react faster!

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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:39 pm

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    Well, sounds like a classic judgement call. I think you probably made the right decision, but, she clearly did put her hands on you first so you were within your rights to take care of business if you wanted… would either be a mutual combat or self defense issue from what you described.

    If she really wanted to fight I think she would’ve stayed right there or called you out…however, a shove to the face *is* a pretty blatant diss…most people who would do that are expecting (or at least considering ) that will be a fight starter.

    But you’re right, ring fighting won’t always prepare you against everything in a street fight…you either have to do it and/or specifically train for it. Most girls do naturally gravitate to using hair as a handle to control the head, and like it or not if she’s experienced it could change the scenario with how you’d normally operate with sub holds/locks. Plus, in the ring you don’t have to worry about things like getting jumped from behind by one of her friends or stabbed in the neck, so always consider the added risks if you decide to throw down.

    Not sure how experienced a street fighter this girl was, but with you stating how long it’s been since you’ve fought outside the ring it might have been interesting if she was actually q tough girl. And I would imagine a number of people at this party must have known you were into fighting… and so you’d figure at least someone might have informed the girl yet she still had the balls to jack you in the face like that…:o

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    VooDooQueen
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:01 pm

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    Ok..here is my opinion: She must have been three sheets to the wind and wouldnt have been worth the fight anyhow. I bet she doesnt even remember being a bitch. I think you did the right thing by just letting it go. I mean, you do have a right to be pissed, but you just have to pick your battles and some are just not worth it. She didnt hurt you or at least cause any damage and you know you could have beat the shit out of her. Plus, are men (no offense guys..i love all of you) really worth fighting about? So ya got a lil New Year’s sugar….its not like you were shaggin in the middle of living room with a camera rolling or anything.

    Now, if that bitch had done more..then hell yeah…teach her a lesson with only as much force as neccesary..but ya gotta make sure some skank is worth messing up your manicure over. 😆

    Take care everyone……

    Voo Doo

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    Lil Katai
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:29 pm
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    If anything, it would have gotten back to my brother who was up stairs and who would have jumped in if nessary ……. to hold someone back that didnt belong in the fight, to jump in on a guy who might have gotten in it, or to beat the shit out of a chick that pulled anything dirty. And no, my brother dont hit chicks, but if one was trying to kill me ….. he would in a heart beat.

    Just cause of her attitude …… somewhere down the line, someone will be waiting around a corner with a baseball bat.

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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:02 am

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    That’s cool, but had you reacted right away there might not have been time for your bro to get down stairs…in the heat of the action things can happen real quick. If the chick had been on you there would be no choice but at least the shove gave you time to either call her out or let it slide…

    And some girls with attitudes like that also end up as MMA fighters…so who knows, maybe someday you’ll get another shot at her (legit style)…

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    Lil Katai
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:38 am
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    Lol, yeah, some of the mma fighters I already dont care for.

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    Woody
    Post subject: Getting shoved … what would …..PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:40 am

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    Hi! Remember jail and stuff like that? Sensibility is best found when your not drunk – not that you were, but she could have been. It’s a little strange that you would question the results of the shove. I absolutely love it when people are acting out of control and I calmly give them no attention. Yeah she was in your face okay – but think otherwise. “Um, wow. It’s new years eve .. I’m in a crowd where some people may know some people .. always a chance there’s gonna be some jealousy .. maybe I should just kiss my glass of whatever I’m drinking instead of this cute little buddy! …” You didn’t have to kiss that guy. 2005 was going to happen whether or not you lip locked sweetie. It’s very cliche that fighters feel they always need to be “on” .. y’know ready to kick ass whenever, wherever and all that drama -then get all psychologically torn up about what they did or didn’t do. I’ve been in a few spur of the moment tussles, and did fine, but self control is always the best. Cause cops really don’t care if you “kick ass” or whatever. They tend to love it cause it justifies their jobs.

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    Woody
    Post subject: Getting shoved … what would …..PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:04 am

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    One more thing. You said the people there were kids from school, then that you’re a cop? How old are you? I also thought big brothers jumping in … the words “dissed”, “bitch”, and every other extremely immature concept contained in all the comments on this situation died along with being passionately indignant toward wreckless people. Also the fact that you are a professional fighter could be used against you in court because so known to such individuals is an expected high level of good judgement and self control. You also said you’re a cop with connections. If you you did destroy this girl who shoved you in the face and then somehow used your cop status in your favor, then you have a serious problem with letting stuff that minor go. I don’t feel too good about cops with that much intolerance to nonsense. Who did you need to prove yourself to at that second? Don’t you have to be an adult to fight MMA, or at least remotely uninterested in blacktop fights and stuff we dealt with in 4th Grade?

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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:54 am

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    Actually I smell serious fish at this party…

    Marie just happened to be “setup” to kiss some guy while some chick (he evidently has ‘some’ kind of history with) just happens to be right there to see it.

    Sounds like at least someone knew a “fightergirl” was at the party and either wanted you to fight this chick…or, she wanted to fight you herself.

    But drinking or not Marie did act with discretion and held back…and she said if anyone had tried anything dirty ‘then’ her brother would have jumped in, not that he fights her battles for her.

    Hey, turning the other cheek is fine when it’s verbal, but this girl put her hands on Marie…that makes it a whole different situation. A swift shove in the face like that can slip and damage an eye…so it would have been very understandable and warranted if she had reacted. And had the girl stayed right there instead of walking away she *definitely* would have the right to defend herself. 4th graders run away from bullies..adults learn how to defend themselves.

    RA

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    dude
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:15 pm

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    Lil Katai wrote:
    Lol, yeah, some of the mma fighters I already dont care for.

    😯 🙂 would u like to expand on that?

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    scarce
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:00 pm
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    ..i smell serious fish at this party…….
    ,,,what the????????

    …am i wrong
    ,,,if i hang out in the gutters////ha ha…

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    dude
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:19 pm

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    rick_alexio wrote:
    Hey, turning the other cheek is fine when it’s verbal, RA

    “fine”? fine for sissies? If someone disrespects you, you gotta do something about it.

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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:55 pm

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    Well, that’s your option, dude…but that’s a bit over-the-top and so I don’t necessarily agree….

    Particularly when people drink they get stupid and say stupid things. If I just laid everyone out who said stupid things at clubs and house parties I would’ve ended up in the jailhouse more times than I can count…and would’ve deserved it.

    Not that I didn’t want to many times..some drunk a-hole disrespecting a female and I would just be looking for any legit excuse to go off, but in general it’s a bad policy. Now if they put their hands on me (or someone else) all bets are off. Had this girl called Marie out and they *mutually* agreed to fight that would be a different situation, but unless that happens it’s a case of who struck the first blow, not the first “diss”…

    RA

    And yeah, scarce…that party Marie went to smells pretty fishy..:o

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    Lil Katai
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:30 pm
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    Quote:
    would u like to expand on that?

    Nope

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    dude
    Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:13 pm

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    Lil Katai wrote:
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    would u like to expand on that?

    Nope

    😆 Actually I expected that. Whoever doesn’t have the guts to confront someone that dissed them also doesn’t have the guts to say on a Message Board whom they can’t stand. 😆 You’re not exactly like Tara La Rose or Shelby Walker who say what they mean and mean what they say. You’re more the hesitant sissie type, aren’t you? Your party story basically proved that already. 😈

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    scarce
    Post subject: PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:47 am
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    ..oh……….that hurts….
    /////,,,,what a name dropper……ha ha.

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    VooDooQueen
    Post subject: PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:48 pm

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    OK…apparently what a guy would do at a party and what a girl would do at a party are two different things. Seems like some of the guys have too much testosterone and would just beat someone up. I think Marie .being a female…asked the FEMALES around here what they would do. Its a chick thing…..I dont think it has anything to do with being a fightergirl. I swear, if some men would just hang out by the Ladies’ Room door, they would learn sooo much about women. We ask other women their opinions because unlike men…we dont try to solve the situation ..but mostly listen (LISTEN>>men..learn that word) and offer advice.

    Marie…so what ya go some sugar on New Year’s ….and remember, opinions are like assholes..everyone has one and some stink way more than others.

    VooDoo

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    dude
    Post subject: PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:28 pm

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    VooDooQueen wrote:
    OK…apparently what a guy would do at a party and what a girl would do at a party are two different things. Seems like some of the guys have too much testosterone and would just beat someone up. VooDoo

    😯 Actually, gender makes no difference (or at least should make no difference) when someone disses you. If someone touches your face, that’s even worse than your shoulder etc…. the ultimate disrespect in my book. If you have no self-respect, you’ll just “talk about it” or walk away and basically allow them to repeat the same mistake in future. If you have self-respect, regardless of whether you are male or female, you beat their ass so that they learn. And no I never went to jail for any of that… 😆

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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:21 pm

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    Uh, ok let’s not start generalizing by smile now, voo doo..*wink*

    If some female came up and shoved you in the face and you would just let it go that’s your personal deal…but PLENTY of women and men would respond and justifiably defend themselves…even Zee and other women said they would have responded.

    It just sounds “politically correct” for some folks here to create the impression that they would be more passive than a nun with a butterfly net, when even a nun will smack a knuckle with a ruler if need be.

    Of course there are *degrees* and prudent discretion…like I said, words are one thing but when anyone starts putting their hands on you, your spouse, your children, etc..if you didn’t defend yourself or them, and just let people take free shots in the face, I would actually find that somewhat disturbing and irresponsible…particularly if you train specifically for fighting and/or self defense.

    RA

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    Anthea
    Post subject: PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:12 pm
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    Just to go back to the original question about what i think I would do if i was in that situation (rather than debating what we think you should’ve done), well to tell you the truth- i have no idea what i would’ve done, and wouldn’t know unless i was in that situation. I’d actually be quite interested in finding out what i would do, but i’m not going to go out there and try and find out 🙂

    I would like to think that instead of fighting back I would’ve been able just to show my strength by holding her arms back and letting her know i’m not low enough to sink to her level. It depends how sober i was though, if i was reasonably sober i probably would’ve just walked away knowing that i could beat her ass and that i was the better person. But maybe if i’d had a few drinks in me i might’ve felt a lot bigger and stronger than what i actually am (man it sucks been small) and tried to show her that she should learn better than to mess with a fightergirl 😈 although i am rather a passive person (outside of the ring) so i very much doubt it would’ve come to that.

    But yeah, i think what Lil Katai did was perfectly fine, and she did come out the better woman at least in my books 😀

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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:48 pm

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    Sounds reasonable, you’re right, a couple drinks can easily turn a possible reaction into a probable one…which is why there are so many more fights at night clubs and parties.

    One additional note though, while it’s always important to be confident in your abilities, it’s also a *very* bad policy to assume that just because you might train for ring fighting that you can automatically beat anyone on the street. It’s a huge mistake to underestimate any opponent either in the ring…and, even more dangerous out of the ring. You can’t always tell, I’ve seen some the prissiest looking waifs become some of the toughest hellion fighters when they threw down.

    Marie mentioned she hadn’t been in a fight since she was a small kid…while this other girl might be the type who gets into fights every weekend. Drinking or not, a shove to the face like that is a pretty bold and decisive first move and indicates this girl is probably not a stranger to confrontations.

    *If* you do end up in a situation on the street you should always assume that your adversary is as dangerous as you are and take them down (or out) as quickly as possible…after you’re clearly in control of the situation then you can always back off.

    RA

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    dude
    Post subject: PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:50 pm

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    rick_alexio wrote:
    Marie mentioned she hadn’t been in a fight since she was a small kid…while this other girl might be the type who gets into fights every weekend. Drinking or not, a shove to the face like that is a pretty bold and decisive first move and indicates this girl is probably not a stranger to confrontations.

    *If* you do end up in a situation on the street you should always assume that your adversary is as dangerous as you are and take them down (or out) as quickly as possible…after you’re clearly in control of the situation then you can always back off.

    RA

    True, never overestimate your abilities. But don’t back down, either, cuz you underestimate your abilities. I respect anyone (M or F) much more if they have enough self-respect to stand up for themselves than a person who doesn’t get in a fight at all. That is, I respect any loser (even a decisive loser) much more if they are willing to throw down instead of being all prissy, backing down, and being all talk afterwards (“yeah, I could have taken her easily, that bitch”). That’s what I would call “fakin.”

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    Lil Katai
    Post subject: PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:57 pm
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    Actually I expected that. Whoever doesn’t have the guts to confront someone that dissed them also doesn’t have the guts to say on a Message Board whom they can’t stand. You’re not exactly like Tara La Rose or Shelby Walker who say what they mean and mean what they say. You’re more the hesitant sissie type, aren’t you? Your party story basically proved that already.

    LOL what a joke you are! And if your going to bring someone elses name into a situation, make sure you spell it right …….. it’s Tara LAROSA not La Rose. LOl what a dumb ass.

    dude = troll

    Everyone else, thanks for the advice.

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    dude
    Post subject: PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:06 pm

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    Lil Katai wrote:
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    Actually I expected that. Whoever doesn’t have the guts to confront someone that dissed them also doesn’t have the guts to say on a Message Board whom they can’t stand. You’re not exactly like Tara La Rose or Shelby Walker who say what they mean and mean what they say. You’re more the hesitant sissie type, aren’t you? Your party story basically proved that already.

    LOL what a joke you are! And if your going to bring someone elses name into a situation, make sure you spell it right …….. it’s Tara LAROSA not La Rose. .

    I’m glad you’re a bit better at criticizing my spelling than handling your business, Kowtow… or whatever you spell YOUR name. 😆 I don’t usually pay much attention to getting someone’s (anyone’s) name right when I can’t stand them… including scarse… 😈

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    Rox21
    Post subject: PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:31 pm
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    awww, people don’t “troll” here like they do on the underground. 😛 no being mean to dude because, well frankly having “dude” for a nickname is hilarious. 😆

    Letting your emotions over ride you isn’t smart, and I never fight in anger because you lose control and make the wrong decisions. I might argue with a person, and defend myself, but it’s probably good you didn’t beat the crap out of anybody. never know when you might be wrong…even if you’re right! Confusion occurs for a reason.

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    VooDooQueen
    Post subject: PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:04 pm

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    Ok…DUDE…doll..”wink” I am not generalizing and every situation is different. Some battles are not worth it…and this one from what what posted doesnt seem worth it. Anyhow…Dude…sweety..dahling…wink wink 😆

    VooDoo

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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:42 pm

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    lol…

    That’s good to hear then, VooDoo…for a minute there it sounded like you were stating that “males in general” would handle it one way (due to testosterone such-and-such) and “women in general” would *cough-pms-cough* handle it another way…my mistake..:) ((j/k))

    Oh and, VooDudette…since there’s someone named “dude” on this thread let’s not confuse who is who – we are all very much different people with different viewpoints…in general . *progesterone wink*

    RA

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    Rox21
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:12 am
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    I’m taking back the first part of my last comment I posted because I didn’t read page 3 and 4 before saying something. I guess people DO troll. 😳

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    Anthea
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:50 am
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    What exactly is it to “troll”? I’ve never heard that expression before…

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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:20 am

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    Trolling = The act of deliberately posting false or inflammatory information in order to start a flame war or cause aggravation to others.

    RA

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    Rox21
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:02 pm
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    Wow, I’ve never had “troll” defined for me…I kind of guessed stuff by context.

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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:44 pm

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    And it sounds like you guessed pretty well, Rox…at least with your reassessment the second time around. Other than that ‘issue’ I think Marie’s query started some pretty interesting/fun dialog that was going on. The definition was more meant for Anthea since she specifically asked for one…

    RA

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    Anthea
    Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:02 pm
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    And Anthea thanks you from the bottom of her heart as now she can sleep easier knowing what it is to “troll” 😀

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    rick_alexio
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:46 am

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    Glad to oblige, and that you slept well…and now the sparrow’s have tooted so it’s time to hit the gym… 😉

    RA

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    scarce
    Post subject: PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:01 am
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    to troll?????

    to instigate??????

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    Lil Katai
    Post subject: PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:52 pm
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    Oh boy …… this thread to me turned into an angery questioning on a situation and now it is a laugh. Other than the TROLL on this thread …… the rest of you rock.

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