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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:01 am 
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Holly Holm (26-1-3, 7 KOs) finished the night with another victory, but it wasn’t over Melissa “Huracanâ€


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:40 pm 
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There's gotta be a back story to that...


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:01 pm 
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On her FB page, Melissa says that Holly refused to re-wrap her hands, so she left. A claim that Holly denies, by the way.

The irony is that Melissa had labeled Holly "the rabbit" during the press conference and said she would be going rabbit hunting on fight night. She even handed Holly several carrots at the weigh-ins. :lol: All very cute, unless you're the one that ends up running like a scared rabbit.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:48 pm 
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Hmmm....interesting.

Kudos to Cisneros for stepping up 8) .


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:06 pm 
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I would've tossed carrots at her as Her. ran away, Were they baby carrots? I bet they would hurt if they hit your eye... :lol:

Whoa. I feel bad for both ladies, but major kudos for Cisnerso


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:37 pm 
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I thought the same thing: 2 sides to every story. But I have been in boxing for a while and you always "hear things" about certain fighters & their characters. Holm is one of the classiest fighters around; she doesnt tlk shit or have a gimmick. She seems like a sweet woman, no BS, and loves to fight. Holm (or her team) DO NOT seem like the type to do "Margorito" style wrapping. Margarito was just recently caught for illegal hand wrapping. It has been around forever, and still is, ppl just dont get caught. Prior to that, ppl coulda pulled outta their fights and stated the case of "Panama Joe" way back in the 80s. I mean, GET REAL. MAJOR props to Victoria.

Melissa "Huracan" Hernandez likely to face indefinite SUSPENSION. Apparently after she returned to the hotel - her coming back to the arena to fight, was nothing "a little money would not fix". If that WAS the case, what a CLASSY LADY & a great face for women's boxing, huh? lol


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:38 am 

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Am I being very dense in asking if the hand-wrapping took place in front of fight officials?


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:07 am 

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Holly Holm has always been one of my favorite boxers because she doesn't play into all the silly, gimmicky media banter that some of her opponents have in the past, she's there to fight because that's what she loves to do..not talk smack. She does use the entire ring when she boxes...alot of stick and move and attack in flurries...hence the "rabbit" connotations but that is her style and if you can't cut off the ring then she will pick you apart. She trains with a great camp ( I think it is associated or maybe is in fact Greg Jacksons camp...Erin or Julie K might be able to confirm that.) and right now Melissa Hernandez is going to have to do alot of damage control to repair her career after this little stunt. I'm sure more details will come out as the days go by and statements are released.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:37 am 
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Hand wrapping is supposed to take place infront of a commission rep & a rep from ur team can be present also. What people dont understand is that proper hand wrapping is an art, so to speak. There is a SPECIFIC way hand wrapping is supposed to take place so the fighter does't break their wrists or metacarpals and the opponent isnt inflicted with undue damage. When illegal wrapping takes place, it has the potential to kill someone, so it's no surprise youd wanna see them getting wrapped. Also, This is why UFC has 2-3 cutmen from boxing now, bc stopping cuts/bleeding in fights is also a art. In boxing, you r supposed 2 have your OWN cutman that you use. Anyway, jst some info.

Sometimes a camp brings in a person JUST to wrap hands b/c it can b that crucial. I learned how to do proper wrapping from boxing, and in MMA, MANY ppl dont know how to wrap. When I used to corner MMA guys, other camps have asked me to wrap their fighters hands. Im not "high level", but I know basics that commission will approve.

I had a fighter I took to Vegas earlier this year to fight. It was an all woman KB show @ Toddys. They're smokers, and no one was there to watch hands being wrapped, but i saw some of these guys wrapping their fighters hands and I almost DIED. It was horrible; no gauze and wrapping tape around their hands...it was VERY bad.

Melissa had every right to watch hands being wrapped - especially for a fight of that magnitude. They said they refused to rewrap, but then agreed when she said she'd pull out? Craziness. I believe Holm is @ Jacksons.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:10 pm 

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The Holm-Hernandez matchup was silly from the beginning because they fight 20 pounds apart.

There is much more to this story than Hernandez running from the fight. Some of the principals involved are changing their accounts of what transpired. This link will take you to the current discussion:



A word of caution – some of the posters on this blog and authors of articles coming from New Mexico have an interest, financial and otherwise, in Holm, her promoter, and the casino.


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There are so many inaccuracies and just unbelievable occurrences from that night and the few days leading up to the fight. But to start, at the weigh in, Holly got on the scale not once, not twice, but 3 times to make weight. Really?

The fact that Melissa tried to "extort" Lenny Fresquez (his word not mine) for more money is laughable. In comparison to Holly's pay day, I'm sure Melissa was to receive a fraction of her purse. If money was that important to her, why would she then end up leaving with out a pay day and having no way to get back to NYC since her and her team's airfare was canceled?

It's truly upsetting and disappointing for something like this to have happened. But Melissa would never back down from any fight. Strange that Cisneros was ready to take on Holly, a world champion 10 rounds having just "volunteered" from the crowd and finding herself in a title fight with no medicals no weigh in nothing. The commission just so happened to be willing to overlook all that....just like overlooking the rules to have a member of Melissa's camp present during the wrapping.

There's plenty more and hopefully it will all come to light after an investigation. I'm not trying to insinuate anything about Victoria, I applaud Cisneros for getting in there and going 10 rounds. In no way do I question her heart or her skill but I do question the "machine" in Albuquerque. Big time.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:35 pm 

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[quote="ShdwPrwler"]Here's another article that answers some of your questions.

http://www.fightergirls.com/


"A word of caution – some of the posters on this blog and [b]authors of articles coming from New Mexico[/b] have an interest, financial and otherwise, in Holm, her promoter, and the casino."


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:05 pm 
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Both girls have been boxing for long enough to KNOW how "shady" boxing can be. I am not pro/con either fighter, just giving an opinion. OF COURSE, New Mexico, Hollys team, etc have financial interest in this lmfao. That is a no brainer. Holly is the hometown girl, and she has a promoter who has a huge vested interest in that fighter --- ITS ALWAYS ABOUT MONEY.

Weight should not be an issue; Melissa AGREED to the weight difference, so that in neither here nor there. What I read about the weight in, was that Holly & another female (cnt recall name & maybe NM fighter) weighed in on the same scale earlier prior to weigh ins & were at (or under) contracted weight. "Apparently", they weighed in later and found they were both over. It was said that the scale was not "level" or something, and it gave an unaccurate weight. (I THINK) They went to cut the weight, & when they came back, the re weighed @ contract limit. I dont think it was "three" times for the weight, I believe two, but could be wrong. ALL fighters have a second attempt 2 make weight. So if she did a legal weigh in, was over, but then came back & made weight - then SHE MADE WEIGHT.

They say there were more than a "dozen" witnesses to the whole issue w Melissa, BUT, I don't know how many were "nuetral". I have fought in MANY hometowns not my own, and have been screwed around countless times, ESPECIALLY overseas. One hour is nothing in the scheme of things. I would be PISSED as hell w the wrapping also, but I definitely wouldnt split if it was taken care of w in the hour. Melissa is not a newbie & i know understnds how boxing can be. You take certain chances when u go to a hometown. It happens w women AND men & it happens in boxing AND MMA.

My biggest issue: a 3-8 fighter was ALLOWED to fight for a FUCKIN TITLE. It is a JOKE. The commission didnt due drug, pregnancy, or any other tests to have a fight like this to take place, ESPECIALLY against a fighter of Holms magnitude. IMO this is what makes womens fighting look bad; a 80/20 fighter getting a title shot. They all just wanted the belt & commission fees, whatever. They shoulda reduced it to a 4-6 round fight & NOT a title fight. Victoria said she was already training 4 a fight that was jst cancelled...so fine, who cares. Good for her to step up. It was not a good fight for Holm to take IMO but either way it was shitty for womens fighting.


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ShdwPrwler wrote:
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> Holly Holm (26-1-3, 7 KOs) finished the night with another victory, but it
> wasn’t over Melissa “Huracanâ€


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